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zorgrian
modified 10 years ago

NOT quite what we expected

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OK so what did we expect? Actually I don't know! What I do know is that for the purposes of simulation here in EC world, the inverter has undergone a severe transformation with the possible result of converting what was a useful component into little more than a high school toy. I believe that the inclusion of gate timing delay parameters may have been intended as some form of time-based-hysteresis and this may in some way have been an attempt at providing more functionality? It may be that this was an attempt to imitate real world components which have propagation delay characteristics? All of this may be valid. But is it useful? Like others here in EC world, I have found that the gates no longer do what I expect or want. A much better and much more useful simulation characteristic would be to have a Schmitt trigger on/off attribute, OR to leave the old version of the gates as they were and add new Schmitt gates? The hysteresis is the "dead gap" between 33% and 66% of rail voltage. The Hysteresis of a Schmitt Trigger is the gap between the low point where the gate changes state and the high point. This gap is typically 33% of rail voltage and because this gap is so wide, it is very difficult for noise to enter the gate and cause false triggering. This makes the gate ideal for noisy situations but it will not amplify low-level signals and therefore cannot be used where small signals are required to be amplified. This is can be a drawback of a Schmitt Trigger in certain circuits. However, apart from cleaning up logic input signals, the properties of Schmitt trigger inputs allow a whole range of RC timing circuitry to be built very easily including delays, oscillators and almost everything that we normally use the 555 timer for! Sorry I cant show you this, as there is no Schmitt trigger implementation yet......
published 10 years ago
alecsandro
10 years ago
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rich11292000
10 years ago
The bootleg finally updated!!!
zorgrian
10 years ago
By using the term bootleg I guess that you overlook the main points that I try to make concerning implementation of propagation delay?
zorgrian
10 years ago
Bootleg, rip-off, copy, cheat, liar, thief, fraudster, toe rag, etc
zorgrian
10 years ago
Clearly you are unfriendly, unhelpful, hateful, nasty minded, useless, genetically impoverished, intellectually challenged, thick minded, moronic, self inflated and otherwise a rather base level ego warrior!
hurz
10 years ago
It was not fair from Igor to change the gate characteristic. He should know that many existing circuits will fail. Some time ago I asked him what happened if we change e.g. transformer impedance of primary side? How does he takes care that existing circuits have no problem with e.g. lowering R from 100mOhm now to lets say 1mOhm. My naive view was Igor just runs a script of a workbench of circuits he took as collection/reference and knows what the behaviour/result is and compares it. If the workbench passes he could release the new transformer characteristic. But fail! I was wrong... :-( he seems to never tested/compares the new gates. Looks like somebody else made that decision and not Igor to overload all gates with new behavior? I still not happy about that, but what can I do more than offer for future changes my help in test and characterisation of components?
sghosh
10 years ago
What kind of joke is this..
zorgrian
10 years ago
It isn't any kind of joke!
zorgrian
10 years ago
Vote @thebugger for president of the USA! Pure genius !!!
erikjohanson2003
9 years ago
Indeed.

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