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modified 8 years ago

Vacuum Tube Heater Supply Methods

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Okay so I'll be going through some of the methods of supplying the tube filaments of vacuum tubes and the advantages/disadvantages of the different methods. The first one (the one at the left (orange) ) is usually the best method when it comes down to hum, but the diodes waste power and bring down the power factor as a whole. It should be used only in very sensitive devices like preamps and such. The power tubes usually need a lot of output signal to drive relatively low power output loads, so even up to a few volts of hum won't be noticeable at all, after the output transformer steps it down, but at the preamp stage it's very important to keep noise away from everywhere you can think off (supply rail noise filtering , heater noise suppression, good quality components and such). I recommend to use very high value filtering capacitors for this method as shown (with supercapacitors for instance), cuz dirty filtering can sometimes cause even more problems than with no filtering at all. The second method at the top right (red) is somewhat adequate when it comes down to noise suppression, but I personally don't prefer it, because one end is grounded, so the two current carrying wires are not symmetrical, so no matter how much you twist 🔀 the wires, you won't get any electromagnetic emission suppression and other parts of the circuit may pick up the noise and amplify it. It's a cheap and dirty solution but it works sometimes. The third method is the one I'll be concentrating most, as it provides very good noise suppression and can be used to elevate the heater supply voltage which is sometimes needed to not exceed the Vkf rating of the tube (maximum cathode to heater voltage). This is especially important in parts of the circuit where the cathode voltage is expected to be high (cathode followers and some types of phase splitters). Just flip the switch and you'll see how the voltage floats above some preset voltage level. When the wiper is grounded it creates a virtual ground and you can find the best symmetry for the transformer output where the two voltages are equal in amplitude and opposite in phase (which cancels out any EM emission). This gives best noise suppression with minimal components and is the method I usually use when working with noise sensitive tubes. I'm currently using this method and managed to bring down noise to a completely inaudible level. Some other tips: - Always usr tightly twisted cables when powering tube heaters, as this helps cancel out any noise along the wires. - Stick to using balances feedlines and keep out of using the second method I showed. It does the job, but is dirty and I don't really recommend it. - A little bonus tip. If you're using 12AX7/ECC83 use the series heater configuration and ground the mid point or use it to elevate the supply voltage. This creates a virtual ground and basically replicates the third scenario I described here.
published 8 years ago
WTFCircuit
8 years ago
In all amplifiers I built (generally ic based, as the tda2004 and such) there is an annoying hissing sound, from where it can come from and how can I solve this problem?
thebugger
8 years ago
Well there are three major noise factors in amps. The first is power supply ripple, but IC's usually have quite good ripple rejector and it's not perceived as hissing, but as 100/120Hz hum. The second type of noiss is ground loop noise. If you've connected the mains ground to your circuit, disconnect it. This type of hum is mostly 50-60Hz, and is usually quite perceivable. The third noise type I usually find in tube amplifiers because they use high value resistors, and the sound is exactly hissing (kind of like static on TV). That's due to resistor thermal noise. The higher the resistor value the higher the noise. In tube amps resistors of up to 10Mohm are not uncommon, so the noise source is understandable. The noise type is hissing, becauss the noise bandwidth is that of a white noise, but the output transformer cuts out the higher frequencies, and that's why it sounds a little different. This is a problem, sadly nothing can fix. You can try using smaller value resistors or adding a stronger negative feedback, or a frequency dependant negative feedback, to limit the upper bandwidth, but this problem is usually quite persistent and hard to get rid of. I'll give you a bonus tip though, sometimes when everything is cramped up and the layout is dirty, parasitic capacitance can induce noise between stages. This can be fixed by a sensible design.
WTFCircuit
8 years ago
Ok, I think the parasitic capacitance is my problem since I usualy do things on a breadboard, I know it is awful but i have very little tin in this period, and breadboard is known for its parasitic capacitance and contact resistance. As last thing, a passive low pass filter is better with a high capacitance and a low resistance or the other way around?
thebugger
8 years ago
I don't get the last question. Low pass filter is good for suppressing high frequency signals and passing low frequency signals. A high pass filter is the other way around.
WTFCircuit
8 years ago
The question is: in a low pass filter is better with a high resistance and low capacitance or with low resistance and high capacitance?
thebugger
8 years ago
It doesn't make any sense. I don't know how to answer that. The filteris build according to the requirements of the circuit
WTFCircuit
8 years ago
Ok, forget everything, I got this
thebugger
8 years ago
Just remember the characteristic impedance of an RC is defined not only by the resistive component, but also the reactive impedance of the capacitor at a given frequency, and the characteristic impedance is chosen according to the application in a given circuit.
2ctiby
8 years ago
Nice article thanks....I have bookmarked it. Now about WTF question: http://everycircuit.com/circuit/5179535691087872
WTFCircuit
8 years ago
Thanks 2ctiby, very useful, anyway my goal was to filter a high frequency pwm wave with a single filter (otherwise the sistem would be to slow to work properly), I don't exactely know if it make any difference though
thebugger
8 years ago
If you want to filter PWM I suggest you use a second order filtering (e.g. LC filter). They have a more steep rejection and will probably work better for your project. As to how to make it just give me a cut-off frequency and a load value.
WTFCircuit
8 years ago
The signal is the output of a phase comparator, which gets filtered to control a VCO, so I think a LC filter would be a bit overkill in this case
thebugger
8 years ago
I don't ever think LC filtering is an overkill. I always try to use it when I can. It's another thing that you rarely have the choke or the means to make it, but if you do I suggest you make usr of it ;)

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