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lmccoig
modified 10 years ago

Tachometer Idea

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Set at 5900 RPM, my 10 inch table saw attracts notice when I turn it on and a few take steps backward. Small boards go through like a meat slicer. I did pulley calculations for this setting. I wondered if this would work for electric measurement of RPM? At high RPM, it seems hole in blade would be safest way to go. Left side is lamp that shines through hole in blade to photo-transistor circuit on right with suitable resistor to connect frequency counter on two outputs. Any ideas others are using?
published 10 years ago
rich11292000
10 years ago
Look at the name plate for rpm?
lmccoig
10 years ago
Blade says maximum speed 6000 RPM. Also, 6000 RPM for edge shaping blade attachments.
hurz
10 years ago
Dust oil and mosquito's .. Any not hermetic covered optoelectronic will fail sooner or later.
lmccoig
10 years ago
This is speed measurement only and not for speed regulation. Adjustable pulley on motor allows change of blade RPM's.
hurz
10 years ago
Better ask god how much RPMs you have.
faceblast
10 years ago
I found a hall effect sensor and a magnet on a bike. the magnet goes on one side of the steel disc, hall sensor on the other. holes in the disc allow the hall sensor to detect the magnet. this makes it a hermetically sealed system suitable for dusty and wet conditions. downside is you need holes in the disc and a frequency divider. might work if you line it up with the saw teeth though, then divide by the number of teeth
faceblast
10 years ago
another way would be to use an IR transmitter and receiver in one package. point it at a reflective surface (eg. a steel saw) and it sees the beam. point it at a black surface and it can't see the beam. put a black dot on the sawblade and point the thing at it and count that
x35m95
10 years ago
@faceblast some saw blades already have holes about 1.5 to 3 inches away from the center so @Imccoig could use those, and if he wants the rpm at the teeth all he needs to do is a few more calculations and it would work.
electrocool
10 years ago
You could try a proximity sensor lined up near the teeth, which would put out a pulse per tooth and the pulses could be fed into a counter circuit with an ADC and 7 segment LED display.
lmccoig
10 years ago
Thanks for all the great ideas!
lmccoig
10 years ago
Handheld Photo Laser Tachometer Tester at $ 12.99 USD looks like it could do the job. High intensity class II laser measures from 2.5 - 99,999 RPM. Very easy to use by applying a reflective mark (included in package) on target object, then aim at the mark by Laser beam.
2ctiby
10 years ago
At this relatively low velocity of around 100 counts per sec. (No need to measure the teeth velocity....just multiply by the constant), I would think that any of these methods would work. If you were dealing with extremely high velocities then a laser with a diffraction grating might be a better idea (I used that method to measure the groove width on a CD and to measure the speed of light). The difficulty for me would be getting an accurate/precise readout on a rigged up calculator .....it would need to respond faster than the E.C. displays....Perhaps one of the guys here can put forth a handy circuit to measure fast rpm which can be displayed on a readout with a reasonably low error margin.
2ctiby
10 years ago
See also variable reluctance magnetic pickup half way down this pdf data sheet for the above frequency/velocity type of measurements. https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.ti.com/cn/lit/gpn/lm2917-n&ved=0ahUKEwien-r10J_LAhVJnRoKHcLLA-EQFggbMAA&usg=AFQjCNFeyiumLQrGhpt-XWsf2NtYsmxC1g
lmccoig
10 years ago
@2ctiby, quite a versatile component. Blade speed would be 2000 to 6000 rpm range. Above component doubles output so that would be 12000 rpm square wave to measure. Reluctance wheel at 6000 rpm would have to be devised also. Thanks for sharing component information!
2ctiby
10 years ago
I'm just wondering if we are missing something simpler here. A car engine with throttle is not all that different than 6000 rpm. I used to hold an oscilloscope near to mine many years ago and it would pick up the electical impulses. I could nicely see the plugs firing and tell if one was not working. I could also view the capacitor discharging just like here on EC. and it was a great way to discover if the capacitor or points were malfunctioning. Using the oscilloscope that way made it easy to calculate the rpm .....never had a tachometer on the dashboard. I then went on to detect the electicity with a tiny simple FM transmitter and so pick up the signal back in doors instead of carrying the big heafty valve oscilloscope to the vehicle. The next step was when I wrote a program in BASIC and used it on the sinclair spectrum....That pinpointed the peak pixel of the oscilloscope waves along with the distance between each. A printout was then presented of the points dwell angle, rpm, and an indication of any mis-firing etc......good old days...hope I haven't bored you. A little FM transmitter and an oscilloscope and you might be in biz ??
lmccoig
10 years ago
I tried air tube close to blade teeth with headphone mike inside tube to AR Oscilloscope app on phone. Waves did not look consistent enough for accurate reading. It seems something simple should work. I thought about compressed air through hole in saw blade for pulsing sound but saw generates other noise. My brother thought he might have some tool to measure rpm. I am waiting also to hear from him.
x35m95
9 years ago
Tried any lasers?

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