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jason9
modified 3 years ago

Astable Multivibrator Based Boost Converter For Driving Led Chains

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This is the first real life circuit I’ve ever made (well, except for a boring ordinary astable multivibrator or two some time in the past that slowly blinked a couple red LEDs). So, it all started when I replaced an LED bulb because it was flickering annoyingly and then decided to pry it apart to see what was inside. Within it I found a delightful set of 40 yellow colored LEDs (it’s probably the phosphorescent material in the white LED that makes them look yellow), 10 in series and 4 of those in parallel. Within each yellow LED appeared to be three LED junctions in series, so there’s actually 120 LED junctions in there. After marveling at it for a while I decided to pry further and pulled out the piece of plastic the LEDs were attached to which revealed a PCB within with what appeared to be a few capacitors and a coil (either an inductor or a transformer), but I haven’t yet been able to pull the PCB out for further examination. Now that I had my hands on a loose plate of plastic with 40 LEDs in it, I decided to have some fun turning it on. Fortunately, I happened to have an Electronic Playground which had 7 resistors, a potentiometer, 2 red LEDs, 4 capacitors, 3 NPN transistors, a diode, a 10:1 transformer (300mH primary, 3mH secondary), a speaker, a pushbutton, a variable capacitor (for radio frequencies, unspecified capacitance), a ferrite antenna (unspecified inductance), and finally a 9V battery holder, all packaged with spring wire connectors and a bunch of loose insulated wires with stripped ends. First I connected the 9V battery to a single one of the 40 LEDs through a small resistor and measured 7-8V (after replacing the battery on my multimeter which was reading a voltage higher than that of the 9V battery, and climbing too as the multimeter’s battery continued to decline). This large voltage is due to the presence of not one but three junctions wired in series in the LED, so the junction voltage is about 2.5V. In an attempt to drive the whole array (which needed some 70-80V) I connected the pushbutton, 300mH coil, and a small resistor in series with the power supply and the LED array in parallel with the coil (after double checking polarity so as not to fry my precious new toy). Now it flashed whenever I let go of the pushbutton, but that’s not really any good unless I want to grow some serious endurance in my finger muscles. Next was an attempt at a joule thief, but I didn’t remember well how to do that and I didn’t have my iPad on hand at the time so it didn’t end up working, although after putting the same circuit into EC as I remember implementing it it did work in the simulator so I don’t know what happened with the failed attempt. After that I searched through the Electronic Playground manual for an astable multivibrator circuit and then attached an extra transistor to take the place of the pushbutton in the original inductor circuit. Now it flashed periodically, but the 10μF and 100μF capacitors were way too big. I wanted it faster, much faster, so it would appear to be on continuously. Fortunately the other two capacitors were 4.7nF and 47nF, so I swapped the big ones out for the little ones and enjoyed a lit up LED array. Some tweaking and a bit of discovery later, we now have the final version shown here, complete with a diode to save the transistor if the wires connecting to the LED array accidentally touch each other (without the diode the transistor got very hot very fast). Unfortunately, as you may have noticed, the circuit does not oscillate particularly stably in EC (EC seems to have trouble with astable multivibrators), but I have no reason to believe that there is any instability in the real circuit. With this final circuit, I can get it to light the whole array fairly brightly (nowhere as bright as the original bulb, but this is just a boost converted 9V battery, not a 120V mains power supply). By adjusting the potentiometer I can change the behavior of the circuit. Adjusting it over one half of the potentiometer dial adjusts the brightness with the far end being fully off, and the power draw adjusts accordingly, although lower brightness leads to lower efficiency as the multivibrator part has a constant power draw. The other half over the dial has a more or less constant brightness with the far end being only slightly dimmer than the middle, but the further it was towards the end the more power it drew. Therefore, the sweet spot is right in the middle and it can be adjusted by hand to maximize brightness and efficiency.
published 3 years ago
Issacsutt
3 years ago
Sweet, sounds like fun! Have you tried replacing the inductor with the transformer, using the secondary to drive the LED(s)?
jason9
3 years ago
The inductor is already the primary of the transformer. I think I did once try driving the secondary and using the primary to light the LEDs but I think it was a lot dimmer. I didn’t try driving the primary and letting the secondary power the LEDs because it’s a step-down transformer meant for driving a speaker so with the 10x reduction in voltage I highly doubt it would power the LEDs at all.
Issacsutt
3 years ago
Oh true, I forgot to consider the large series resistance of the LEDs, I was thinking more of a step up in current, but that assumes really low impedances.
jason9
3 years ago
Yeah, the whole point of the circuit is to make some 70-80V to power the LED array with a side goal of doing that with as much output current as possible.
Issacsutt
3 years ago
Let me know if you ever need some help testing some of your designs in real life, I’ll see if I can’t offer some helpful advice in case your very confident it should work, but you find that it just doesn’t for some reason, cause I’ve definitely had quite a few of those moments before, and it’s not always what you think, sometimes it’s just your set-up, and sometimes it’s what you didn’t think about, it varies
wyoelk
3 years ago
You're kind of frying that little 20ma led. Might consider a current limiting resistor. That's the issue with pots in this configuration is maintaining a constant current.
jason9
3 years ago
@wyoelk, It’s not a 20mA led. The simulation doesn’t have an exact equivalent, so I just put down an LED and turned the voltage way up. As I described in the description it’s actually an LED array from an LED lightbulb I took apart with 120 actual LED junctions in there, 3 in series in a single surface-mount style package, 10 of those packages in series, and 4 of those sets in parallel. When running during normal operation the LED probably consumes 10-20W so that works out to be at least 125mA during normal operation (10 watts at 80V) compared to the 10-20mA I measured with my multimeter in series with the coil just now when the circuit is running (which is much lower than than the sim seems to indicate, but it’s not necessarily a perfect representation of the components and the pulsed nature of the current could be throwing off the meter). Unfortunately, the meter’s lower current settings don’t work (I suspect a blown fuse, this was a multimeter I found in a cupboard somewhere and must have come with the house) so I had to use the 10A setting which only has 3 digits of precision so it just alternated between reading 0.01 amps and 0.02 amps. One might wonder if perhaps a pulsed high-current could still damage the LED with excessive current even if too brief to overheat but even the lamp it came from actually had a pulsating light at some frequency too high to see under ordinary conditions, so it put at least 250mA during a pulse, and probably more. Plus I’m pretty sure (although this is somewhat of an unfounded guess) that LEDs (and most/all components in general) can take more or less any current as long as it’s brief enough with only the average current mattering in a rapid-pulse situation. Also, I discovered original light was pulsed when I waved around the power cord of my clock in front of the light and saw not a uniform white blur from the reflected light but instead of a bunch of white stripes like the cord was being lit with a strobe light.
jason9
3 years ago
@issacsutt, one of the methods I tried to use to power the LED was a joule thief but it didn’t work. I checked the polarity of the transformer (and by that I mean the polarity of the voltage spike on one side when powering the other side with a voltage spike of a given polarity) and set up the joule thief accordingly and even tried swapping the primary and secondary after it didn’t work but with no success. It’s possible I still mixed up the polarity because the joule thief cannot work if I swap the two terminals of one of the windings, but I was pretty sure I had it right. But I also don’t want to take the existing circuit apart to reconstruct the joule thief and get it working because I’m too happy about making my first real circuit that actually does something neat (which is boost the voltage of a 9V battery well enough to power a 70-80V LED array I got from an LED bulb I disassembled with enough power to make it glow decently bright). And in a few weeks I have a ham radio club meeting I want to show it off at so maybe I can disassemble it after that. I could also disassemble it now and reassemble it before the meeting but I don’t want to blow a transistor or something by tinkering too much because the circuit already uses all three transistors and I don’t have any spares. And actually I’m rather surprised the transistor is still intact given that I’ve run this circuit a bit without the LED connected (mostly due to an unreliable connection to the LED) which should involve a big voltage spike at the collector, so my only theory as to how it’s still alive is that it’s forcefully pushing the current through the collector into the base and somehow that’s not killing the transistor. But now that I say that I realize that may be the reason I’m only measuring 10-20mA instead of the much higher current predicted in the sim, because maybe all that abuse did damage the transistor and now the beta is super low.
Issacsutt
3 years ago
I don’t know that it would’ve actually killed the transistors honestly, cause I’ve even built BJT boost converters that produced spikes of up to 220v at the collector and it was never damaged. It only ran on a 5-9v supply.
Issacsutt
3 years ago
Also, that’s cool you go to ham radio meetings, what do you usually do at one of those?
jason9
3 years ago
Not much actually. I mostly just sit there and listen to other people talk about stuff like emergency preparedness (which is a big part of ham radio) and stuff like that. It’s mostly focused on using ham radios than understanding or building ham radios.
Issacsutt
3 years ago
Thats very interesting, sucks they don’t try to discuss the working of it at least periodically, cause I would feel that’s equally important if not even more important to understand how it works if ever there’s an emergency and something’s not right
jason9
3 years ago
Well, the ham radios we have are all either handheld walkie-talkie style things or assembled by one of the guys who does that kind of stuff. Most of the members don’t know about nor care about what happens inside the magic box.
Issacsutt
2 years ago
Ohh yeah, sadly I think a lot of people don’t 😅. Very few people these days have any curiosity or imagination in them it seems.
Issacsutt
2 years ago
Also Sorry for the present and future late replies, it’ll probably be off and on for the next few months, cause I’ll be out at Sea for a while again

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