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modified 9 years ago

Simple Solar Charge Circuit

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This is to help see some problems. Solar panels act like a current source once the voltage is less than the maximum power point. For a three watt 36 cell solar panel (e.g. SLP003-12, because I have it in hand) the current source is set at 180mA and is in parallel with a 20V Zener which gives the open circuit voltage. The 16.5 Ohm is the panels internal resistance. Once the panels output voltage drops bellow 17V the Zener will stop conducting. No need for a dummy load because the solar panel is happy with open circuit voltage. Notice that as the battery charges up the power produced is less than the panels rated power, which requires it to be operated at 17V. Taking the Battery to 15V is for flood type lead acid, but that high a voltage will cause hydrogen gassing, good chargers will do some gassing to stir up the electrolyte, and then hold an absorption voltage which is temperature dependent. Absorption is time-consuming, it is named because a chemical reaction is taking place and gradually depleting (or absorbing) the last remaining lead sulfate (some is even in solution). Absorption is important in lead-acid because the lead sulfide can deposit in places that prevent it from providing power storage (sulfation). When all the lead is converted into its metallic form the electrolyte can dissolve some of the sulfation, and reverse the damage, but this is tricky business, of cycling gassing and absorption voltages without allowing the cell to run out of water or build up to much pressure. And as you might expect the power used during absorption and gassing is mostly not recoverable. As shown this charger will not do a proper absorption cycle, so sulfation will build up and quickly rob the battery of its storage capacity. Once the battery has been discharged even a little sulfation starts to build up, at first the deposits are tiny seeds that are easy to absorb, but if it sets for too long the seeds grow into crystals that can become a nightmare to recover. Letting a 12V lead acid voltage drop to 9V is not a good idea, it may not take a charge afterward.
published 9 years ago
Sine_eyed
9 years ago
Ah, good info obtained through a comprehensive analysis- I like it, thank you..
flowDAQ
9 years ago
I would not say comprehensive, but thanks. I am guessing faceblast is thinking about the C rate, right?
Sine_eyed
9 years ago
It's a noteworthy subject in any case. Many intelligent men have spent a great deal of time and resources dreaming up ways to get the best out of our batteries. In fact a close friend of mine it's currently on such a project at the nearby national laboratory. Something to do with hydrogen fuel cells, but that's all he'd really say. Those labbie types are notoriously tight lipped...
flowDAQ
9 years ago
That prompted me to do some googling for fuel cell news, I see that Ballard has some systems (sort of) available (FCgen 1020ACS) but the data sheet is mostly empty, and the few test that are publicly available say next to nothing. Ten years ago I figured that fuel cells were the way to go and that the silicon for making solar cells was never going to get cheap enough, well a very strange thing happened, the solar cell manufacturers stopped using integrated circuit grade silicon and the game has slowly shifted past the tipping point, low-grade silicon-based solar is now on price parity with almost any energy source. And low-grade silicon is fine for solar cells, it does not degrade the performance. I would be awful as a stock market advisor.
faceblast
9 years ago
that's super neat fdog. do I have to worry about c rate maths to charge SLAs from this or can I just shove it on a battery and let it go
flowDAQ
9 years ago
haha, yep just let it go...
Sine_eyed
9 years ago
They must've thought it an obvious thing, use higher grade materials to yield a more efficient product. Seems logical- why not let physics do most of the work for you right? Good engineers are always going after the simplest solution, but what seems simplest to us is directly tied to our current understanding of it. It seems there always more to learn about something, even things we thought we knew all about. Some superficially related stone is turned somewhere else and somebody will get a notion to take a second look at something else- and with newfound insight if just what to look for. Today's groundbreaking discoveries become tomorrow's myopic musings of a bygone era. Something only chuckled over when old friends reminisce. There will always be something more to learn, just around the bend. Thankfully I think, there will always be those who are itchy, feeling unsatisfied and compelled to go farther and dig deeper because they know- they're sure to learn something new. So, yeah- all in all I'd say making any long term predictions with regards to science and technology would be a crapshoot at best. I'll leave forecasting the future to Madame Zora over at the Pizza Hut- she doesn't answer too many questions but for just 25ยข she can look into the coming days to deliver your fortune. Lol- probably as accurately as anyone could, really!..
faceblast
9 years ago
what
Sine_eyed
9 years ago
Those old school fortune teller machines faceblast, remember? That last little bit of mine was just joking around sheesh..
kumhare_amit
7 years ago
can you please draw a circuit to charge 4v lead acid battery from 220v ac power supply.

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