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zorgrian
modified 8 years ago

RF Diode probe and power meter now without simulation problems - A low cost piece of test equipment.

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Update: removed 33 ohm resistor. It was an unintended F**k up on my part. @HURZ POINTS OUT THAT A SIMPLE INCLUSION OF A 50 OHM RESISTANCE AT THE SOURCE GENERATION POINT DOES AT LEAST MAKE A FUNCTIONAL SIMULATION THE FOLLOWING IS KEPT FOR HISTORICAL POSTERITY (Also, due to the EC generator having a theoretically unlimited current supply, when you close the switch, the voltage at the meter stays the same. You will see the generator current rise to accommodate the 50 ohm load. However as a power meter, this EC simulation is utterly useless! ) For the price of a couple of 1n5711 schottky diodes and two ceramic 100n capacitors, you have an invaluable piece of test equipment. Here the output is shown on the rather useless meter and on the scope above. In reality, the meter could be a normal low cost multimeter. Crocodile clip leads are soldered to the input which above is represented by the signal source. The diode probe gives a representative output that's very close in value to the radio frequency (RF) voltage you intend to measure. Note that all forms of measurement necessarily affect the thing you are measuring. This is no exception. This circuit will work from about 1 MHz to 100 MHz without affecting the measured circuit too much. Today we lament the loss of Stephen Hawking who's mind stretched our understanding of the universe. May he rest in peace. 1001001
published 8 years ago
ManuelPeh
8 years ago
Yes.... one of the greatest minds is gone. He has a place in my personal hall of fame. Right beside Einstein.
hurz
8 years ago
may Stephen Hawking rest in peace until the universe has evaporated. @zorgrian, this is a very low impedance methode to detect power and wont work for sensitive oscillators. I prefer another methode with MMIC's. So I use amplifier in open collector to charge small caps. Buy a 30bugs Sat-finder and see how they work.
zorgrian
8 years ago
yeah you're right its low impedance. Doesn'twork with my typical low current oscillator design. But useful for thuggish grade oscillators of the type that beginners often start with. These never produce a nice sign wave, as they get enthusiastic and generally produce clipped output.
zorgrian
8 years ago
I'm not going to get into the debate on Hawking and Einstein. However, I never really liked hawking's theories much and he really lost the plot as soon as he did a telecom advert where he said "we've got to keep talking". Nevertheless he did have an interestingly focused mind, which provoked much reaction.
zorgrian
8 years ago
Also if you put three 150 ohm 1 watt (or more) resistors in front of the first cap, you have a way of seeing power. The output in watts is the RMS ^ 2/ 50
hurz
8 years ago
Your diode emission coefficient at 400m is quite optimistic, I think its more In the range of 500-600m to reflect a shottky diode.
zorgrian
8 years ago
Yes, @hurz cheers, what would you guess is correct for unobtainable germanium diodes? I have tried buying from China, Russia and other places from eBay. However, they send either Schottky diodes or just plain silicon signal diodes. Of course at €2 per 50 its not worth sending them back! The big suppliers like mouser dont stock them. I believe in ex Communist block countries there may be huge supplies hidden in old buildings.... ?
zorgrian
8 years ago
Also ..... I think the EC voltage meter should have an average facility such that it behaves like a normal multimeter on voltage mode. As it is right now i dont see much simulated merit.
zorgrian
8 years ago
please see updated notes in the circuit description!
hurz
8 years ago
Why do you think this simulation is useless? I think you should at least simulate an internal resistance of your source http://everycircuit.com/circuit/5502574286602240
hurz
8 years ago
For nostalgic reasons I have ordered some AF102 and also AC120. With the AF transistors one might build a retro level indicator easily upto 100MHz. Both are germanium PNP 😉 that will be fun to have them in my hands again.
zorgrian
8 years ago
Sounds good! Where did you order these from? I ordered some germanium transistors and diodes from eBay. These turned out to be fake!!!! Someone i know in Holland says its also possible to order from Amazon, but i think you can still experience the same fake component story from the richest man in the world.
zorgrian
8 years ago
I have updated the simulation with a 50 ohm resistance in the source generator path.
hurz
8 years ago
Ebay, for AF102 a little seller from germany, lets see if its fakeware, he is located quite close to my home address 😁
hurz
8 years ago
All three AF102 are fine. How much fake were the ones you got, are they just silicon or just a metal case with pins?
zorgrian
8 years ago
All silicon and were about €5 for three of transistors!!! I'm still waiting for an explanation.
zorgrian
8 years ago
EBay say that if no response by Monday, then i will get my money back.

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