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paulvg01
modified 7 years ago

PSA regarding RMS

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So I found out today that my life is a lie. Those who are better-versed in electronics than I am probably already know this, but apparently, a 120VAC 60Hz wall socket does not have a peak voltage of 120V. 120V is actually just the root mean square of the voltages in one wavelength. This means that a 120VDC source has the same average power output as a 120VAC 60Hz source. V(RMS) × √(2) = V(MAX) √2 = ~1.414 1.414 × 120 = ~170 Therefore, the actual amplitude of a 120VAC 60Hz source is around 170V. Just so you guys know.
published 7 years ago
Robert_Kidd
7 years ago
......and peak to peak is 340V.
paulvg01
7 years ago
@Robert_Kidd Thanks, corrected :)
rich11292000
7 years ago
Even people that understand rms screw up the peak to peak. Also 120v ac is more painful than 120v dc because of the peak and the peak to peak.
LeButch
7 years ago
Be glad that you have a sine wave. If it was a different signal, you would not be able to calculate these things so easy...
selman
7 years ago
@LeButch, That sounds very silly!
paulvg01
7 years ago
@LeButch I know, right?
Robert_Kidd
7 years ago
Better off with the AC shock. The DC locks your muscle and you can't let go of the wire.
2ctiby
7 years ago
@Robert_Kidd ... hi... Good point. As a school kid (many years ago) we used to get transformers and compete with each other to see who could keep hold at increasing voltages. We were pretty good at it, and it was amusing to see muscles in the arm twitch and our fingers lock where we could not let go. Not to be advised for anyone reading this. (can't even play conkers these days without safety glasses etc). I hasten to add that we only ever used a 6v battery. How can that be d.c. some may ask ... well touching the 6v input wire on/off rapidly is different to a.c. flowing back and forth.
2ctiby
7 years ago
High voltage a.c. or d.c can be deadly ... avoid! (obligatory and sensible valid disclaimer). We also used to play on railway lines and put our ears on the tracks to hear when a train was coming! ... avoid! (obligatory and sensible valid disclaimer yet again)... trains were steam driven, slow and no electric lines in those days.
2ctiby
7 years ago
When I first started as an apprentice electrical engineer in industry training, we came across large metal switch gear which had been used for d.c. We had to tear it out and replace it with the a.c. modern gear which we had now started using... that was part of our daily job. I had a few a.c. shocks and so know the different feel to d.c. ... don't quite know how I am alive to tell the tale.
BillyT
7 years ago
There are old electricians and there are bold electricians, there are not too many old bold electricians....🎲
Robert_Kidd
7 years ago
Happy memories of foolish actions lol. We’ve all got them! I remember moving up the transformer winding as I needed more DC voltage from my circuit - forgetting about the smoothing capacitor working voltage. As soon as I switched power on the capacitor case shot through the suspended ceiling and capacitor contents rained down over me. I was only about one foot away from the circuit when it happened as I was monitoring the voltage.
Robert_Kidd
7 years ago
In the relatively early days of colour tv I was asked to measure the EHT. I gingerly used a plastic rod to lift the edge of the anode cap on the back of the CRT and nervously moved the Fluke x1000 probe towards the anode cap. When I was about mid way the EHT arced from the anode cap to the end of the Fluke probe then down to the dag (the earthed coating on the rear of the CRT. I wasn’t hurt but it blew every bottom segment of the Fluke DMM LED display and the colour tv (which had been provided by the manufacturer as a test bed for LOPT’s) no longer worked. It had to be returned to manufacturer for repair or replacement. I’m much happier working with 12 volts but have completely rewired a few houses.
Robert_Kidd
7 years ago
So yes, take great care with high voltages. Check & check again!
Robert_Kidd
7 years ago
By the way, L.O.P.T. stands for Line Output Transformer which forms part of the circuit that generates the extra high tension (voltage), E.H.T., that. Is required for a CRT (cathode ray tube).

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