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eekee
modified 7 years ago

extreme convergence error

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from my working notes: added load, got convergence error. (surprising because there's no feedback and ground is capacitor-coupled.) will add relays... relays insufficient! they change, then the convergence error happens. ah: relays *and* capacitor-coupled ground required, but after start, you need to close the ground switch for proper operation. strange, eh? :) here's how i worked around it: http://everycircuit.com/circuit/5849502430003200 note the ground relay has higher inductance and a separate power supply than the other two. ignore the working notes.
published 7 years ago
jason9
7 years ago
What exactly do you mean by “convergence error”? And, as long as there is no “cannot find solution” at startup, the capacitor coupled ground is unnecessary. In this case, the capacitor coupled ground is the source of a problem, probably the problem your talking about. This is because ALL wires to ground have to go to the capacitor coupled ground, not true ground, because otherwise it will mess up the capacitor coupled ground bad. Also, there can’t be any op-amps with their outputs feeding into the capacitor coupled ground grounded circuit because that will also mess it up bad. If the output of the op-amp was feeding into a different circuit with regular grounds only and the only thing connecting the two circuits are op-amps, transformers, and CCVS/VCVS/CCCS/VCCS (current controlled voltage source/voltage controlled voltage source/etc.) then it will be fine. This is because they provide galvanic separation (assuming the two sides aren’t connected by non galvanic separation means). Even the op-amp works, since it just acts as a comparator and as long as the output doesn’t feed into it’s input with non galvanic separation no issues will be generated.
jason9
7 years ago
You can remove the relay and leave the ground switch closed upon startup, and it will work fine. The problem should be because the resistor at the top-right is connected to true ground, and any current that flows through it flows through the ground capacitor developing a charge on it, which messes up the op-amp because its other input is connected to true ground, not the capacitor coupled ground.
jason9
7 years ago
Btw, when I mentioned that op-amps were galvanic separators, that only applies in this simulator. Same goes for CCVS/VCVS/CCCS/VCCS unless they like optocouplers or something.
eekee
7 years ago
"Convergence error" is what all the long-time users here call "cannot find solution" to confuse the new guys. :)
eekee
7 years ago
as for the rest... all i can say is, "derrrrrp! i knew that. i used to know that..." lol
jason9
7 years ago
Capacitor coupled ground doesn’t remove “cannot find solution” if there is some part of the circuit connected to a regular ground including the internal ground in an OP-amp. Also, when does the “cannot find solution”? Capacitor coupled ground only helps with “cannot find solution” at startup, not at any time in the circuit’s running period.
eekee
7 years ago
Yup.

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