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thebugger
modified 9 years ago

Measuring Unknown Capacitances and Inductances

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Okay so I was walking around yesterday and I found a perfectly good double air dielectric variable capacitor by the dumpster, from those vintage ones in old tube radios and took it. But there was no indication of a maximum or a minimum value so I had to measure it somehow. These are the things you need. 1. A known capacitor or inductor - I had an unknown inductor also, but had a finely specified capacitor. 2. Square Wave source - You can use a 555 timer. I used the one my oscilloscope has for tuning the probes. Any will do the trick. The frequency is important to be somewhat low because with high frequency you risk getting close to the resonance value of the tank circuit. 3. Oscilloscope - analog digital doesn't matter. Okay so the steps I took were. 1. Firstly I had to measure the inductor value. I hooked up the circuit as shown and measured the decaying oscillations period and frequency. The period in this example is 62.5uS and the frequency 16KHz. It's very important to keep the square wave frequency much lower than the decaying oscillations. It may cause series resonance and damage your signal source. Then you can calculate the inductor value by using the resonance formula Fr=1/2пsqrtLC. I suck at math so I just used a resonance calculator. We get 4.5mH. 2. Now that we know our inductor value we can substitute the known capacitor for the unknown one and remake the same measurements. The decaying oscillation period is 14.6uS (it's easier measured on a real oscilloscope) and the new resonance frequency is 68.5KHz. We make the calculations again and find the capacitor value. Since I have a dual variable capacitor I had to make 4 measurements. Lowest and highest capacitance of one arm and lowest and highest capacitance of the other. It's a crude method but if you do your math carefully and have a digital oscilloscope you can probably get pretty close to the real value. Some considerations. Keep in mind that measuring low capacitances will probably require either a higher frequency of the square wave oscillator or a higher inductor value. With both things there are some considerations to be taken care off. First as I mentioned a higher frequency may bring you close to the resonance frequency of the tank circuit. In our measurement it's in series and if resonance should occur it may damage your signal source. The other option is high inductor value. High value inductors have higher internal resistance. This decreases the Q factor and broadens the resonance bandwidth of the tank circuit, so once again you may end up unknowingly entering resonance. The solution is to keep the inductor value very high and keep the signal source frequency very low. My oscilloscope puts out around 400Hz square wave. Some of the measurements were at a frequency of 170KHz. You need to keep the difference between them as high as possible. Also when using this method to measure high capacitance values make sure that the output impedance of your signal source is considerably low, and that it can sink reversre current or you can damage it at pulse moments. I recommend adding a series resistor (100ohm - 1k) to further dampen the oscillations if you're not sure what you signal source's specifications are or have absolutely no idea what your unknown component values are.
published 9 years ago
hurz
9 years ago
If you have a digital scope and afraid to damage your signal generator, you better use a simple switch to generate a single event and set the scope to single trigger. No need for a strong periodic event. Even with an analouge scope and pressing the buttom its possible with maximum illumination in a dark room to capture the resonance periode. Anyway, hope some users benefits from the effort you spend here for the community. Keep it up!
selman
9 years ago
I think I'm gonna go with hurz, it's pretty easy to go for time constant, (R*C or R/L).
thebugger
9 years ago
Yeah a digital oscilloscope can be set on a trigger and a single pulse can trigger a ringing. Selman I think the resonance method is more accurate and probably easier to execute if you have well known components. Also the RC / RL methods works only with high values. Measuring pF and nH with an RC method is pretty much unfeasible.
thebugger
9 years ago
Hurz hah thanks. For once a recognition ;)
BillyT
9 years ago
Good information, Old time capacitor bridges and standards used to use 1k as the reference frequency.
thebugger
9 years ago
Yeah the frequency ia mostly irrelevant. As long as it's low enough not to cause resonance everything should be ok. I usually use anything below 500Hz because resonance at these frequencies require you to measure huge components like big capacitors or the inductance of transformers, which I rarely do. There are better methods for high value inductors.
do7prm
9 years ago
You could use a known resistor and a switchabel dc source and measure the timeconstant of your rc lowpass or highpass or if you have a signalgenerator, as your pc soundcard you can measure the edgefrequency with different resistors.

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