EveryCircuit - Free energy

trevorus

5 years ago

Nope. You made an oscillator

fatcat2

5 years ago

If you wanna build some cool free energy stuff, watch this video 👉🏻 https://youtu.be/15V0gUXUPko

PrathikP

5 years ago

Free energy doesn't exist.

fatcat2

5 years ago

This video is meant for showing the non existence of free energy.

digital_electronics

5 years ago

It exists, it’s a question of harnessing it and rewriting the 2nd law of thermodynamics.

fatcat2

5 years ago

But the 2nd law of thermodynamics is true.

Dholms22

5 years ago

4 watts in. 12 watts out. Im just curious if this is an app flaw or if its accurate because i e read some articles saying the the indiction doubles at resonance and othwr things that make me think that overunity at high frequency is potential. Not trying ro raise hopes. Im just sick of living on the grid.

fatcat2

5 years ago

It is true that the reactive power exceeds the input power but reactive power cannot be used; only real power is useful. @Dholms, calculate the total apparent power and see. BTW, the phase shifts of the resonant network are opposing. THIS IS NOT FREE ENERGY.

giomix

5 years ago

Nothing is for free, except for the ignorance.

maxmax_66

5 years ago

@digital_electronics. Please explain how one goes about rewriting the 2nd thermodynamic law or any such immutable law? Never gonna happen.

schernya

5 years ago

@Dholms22 Can you show your calculations on power consumed?

crake

5 years ago

I'm gonna grab a bag of popcorn for this one. Please explain this free energy.

alexpu

5 years ago

Easy. Plug an extension cord into your neighbors garage.

alexpu

5 years ago

FREE. ENERGY. *mic drop*

digital_electronics

5 years ago

Conceptualising any idea with a closed mind stifles uncharted scientific inquiry.

wyoelk

5 years ago

Lightning, no cost to generate, unpredictable amount of power, random locations of touchdown, never harnessed, probably hurts like hell if directly contacted but still free! Benjy was just lucky to live

fatcat2

5 years ago

@Dholms22, it is the apparent power that you need to calculate. Note carefully that if either the reactive power or the real power is low, the result is low.

maxmax_66

5 years ago

Look, you can chain little Johnie to a hamster wheel and call that free energy, but under no circumstance will little Johnie ever put out more work than he has put in. Free energy in the context of it being a ‘free’ commodity is one thing. Defying the immutable laws of physics by extracting more energy than you put in, that’s just a never to be realized flight of fancy.

digital_electronics

5 years ago

There’s a lot of (free) energy out there and the problem scientists are grappling with is how to unlock and use that energy. Science isn’t restrictive and as we learn more the breakthroughs will follow.

maxmax_66

5 years ago

Tapping as yet unknown sources of 'free' energy is not the same as overunity. The former we talk in terms of a virtualllly unlimited potential commodity, the latter is in complete defiance of the laws of thermodynamics. No future scientific breakthrough will alter this fact. Your statement of potentially rewriting the laws of thermodynamics is highly uninformed and simply wrong.

digital_electronics

5 years ago

Any law is revisable and you might want to consider this: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/308810287_Plasma_energy_conversion_system_for_electric_power_generation

maxmax_66

5 years ago

Still not overunity. The immutable laws of thermodynamics still apply and will always apply. Under no circumstance can we manipulate the laws of thermodynamics to extract more work from a system than we put in. There are potentially unrealized and virtually unlimited reservoirs of usable energy (tapping the energy from black holes for instance) but none of these violate the laws of thermodynamics. Thermodynamics addresses the nature of energy and it's transfer through a system. These laws are unaltetarable. You continue to confuse the concept of overunity and the nature of energy with the search for potentially unlimited sources of energy. These are separate points of discussion.

digital_electronics

5 years ago

No confusion at all, just a realisation that everything is revisable, everything including the 1st and 2nd thermodynamic laws, there is no full stop at the end of the word “science”. As previously stated, there’s plenty of (free) energy and given enough time, scientists will unravel it’s practical usability.

maxmax_66

5 years ago

Again, the discovery and/or availability of alternate reservoirs of energy whether it is 'free' or treated as a commodity has nothing to do with the unalterable laws of thermodynamics and their implication on overunity devices. These are immutable laws of nature. No credible researcher would waste their time and effort on the fruitless pursuit of overunity devices nor would anyone with a reasonable understanding of the full statistical significance of thermodynamics ever suggest such a device would ever be possible.

fatcat2

5 years ago

There is no free energy. You cannot get something for nothing. In the future, our present civilisation may evolve into type 1 or even type 2 civilisations but they can never ever consume free energy. What type of free-energy-in-the-air are you talking about, @digital_electronics?

digital_electronics

5 years ago

Infallibility isn’t mankind’s strongest attribute, any scientific discovery is revisable as new information becomes available, the abundance of universal energy and its future use will necessitate the revision of a number of well established laws including thermodynamics. @fatcat2, check out the link I posted, it’s a good read...👍

maxmax_66

5 years ago

They are called laws for a reason. They describe fundamental properties of the universe that are universal and unchanging. By their very nature, they are not subject to revision no matter what you believe, not now or anytime in the future. The nature of entropy and energy transfer is not theoretical but purely empirical. As there is no case, nor will there ever be a case where the laws of thermodynamics will be violated, there will never be a need for revision. Just out of curiosity, what part of the 2nd law is violated and requires revision according to you and why?

lmccoig

5 years ago

Some schools talk of the God Theory. If every action produces a reaction and you reverse this process back through time. You reach the point where something that does not need a beginning puts things in motion. The book, ELEMENTAL, by Tim James is where I read about " God Theory".

digital_electronics

5 years ago

It’s not a question of violation but rather a question of revision as new information is acquired. @Inccoig, Dr. Danny R. Faulkner wrote an interesting article concerning the dynamics of thermodynamics, definitely worth reading.

maxmax_66

5 years ago

The creationist? Is that where you get your information? Amusing.

digital_electronics

5 years ago

My understanding is that this man of science is neither agnostic, atheist, creationist or any other religious label.

BillyT

5 years ago

@digital_electronics all of the free energy espoused about has some origin, any comment to the contrary is just wishful thinking. It is not only the laws of thermodynamics one has to overcome, there is the other immutable law, E=MC2.

digital_electronics

5 years ago

@BillyT, revising laws as we learn more and moving forward embellishes science, not sure how or why the question of thermodynamic law violation or overcoming these laws entered the discussion. There is an abundance of untapped universal energy, the challenge is to exploit this alternative energy source as we near fossil fuel’s inevitable expiration.

fatcat2

5 years ago

Do you think that plasma energy is free energy @digital_electronics?

digital_electronics

5 years ago

I think there is alternative energy sources, including plasma energy, which should be considered as our traditional energy sources run out.

wyoelk

5 years ago

I agree with some of everything said. First, you cannot get something for nothing. Second, many undiscovered sources of energy. Third, laws of thermodynamics just will never be changed or rewritten. Last, thanks all for fairly decent conversation.

maxmax_66

5 years ago

@digital_electronics. You wrote "@BillyT, revising laws as we learn more and moving forward embellishes science, not sure how or why the question of thermodynamic law violation or overcoming these laws entered the discussion." The post deals with the possibility of an overunity device. The original 'free energy' reference is a misnomer describing this apparent overunity. The search for abundant, alternative sources of energy is a completely different topic which I've tried to point out to you. You entered the discussion with this non sequitur "It exists, it’s a question of harnessing it and requiring the 2nd law of thermodynamics", which is simply wrong and why the question of law violation was brought up. I again reiterate. Overunity devices and the search for so called 'free energy' are two completely different topics of discussion.

digital_electronics

5 years ago

Thanks to everyone who participated in this discussion which was conducted in an amicable and respectful atmosphere...👍

giomix

5 years ago

Ok, conclusion is that "free energy" is a wrong concept and thermodynamic laws are not rewrittable. Thanks.

Dholms22

5 years ago

OVERUNITY*

Dholms22

5 years ago

Im just here to question not to argue. You lock 2 of the same size magnets together the gauss field will double. Why cant the same happen with clockwise and counter clock wise coils? Love the inputs bit im not here to read all the "its impossible" comments.

digital_electronics

5 years ago

“Overunity” is the hypothetical continuous operation of an isolated mechanical device or other closed system without a sustaining energy source. Overunity generators are making impressive inroads in the energy market returning impressive savings to consumers. The demand for sustainable (free) energy will necessitate revisions (not rewriting of or the abolishment of nor significant alteration of) laws concerning the relationships and conversions between heat and other forms of energy (thermodynamics) as we move forward towards a fossil free energy market.

maxmax_66

5 years ago

Overunity devices do not exist nor will they ever exist. It is a universal impossibility. Please stop spreading these obviously false claims.

digital_electronics

5 years ago

Subjectivity poisons objectivity, overunity devices do exist but do not operate perpetually, and that’s a fact!

fatcat2

5 years ago

I suppose you to listen to free-energy lectures by 'Michio Kaku', a Japanese guy.

maxmax_66

5 years ago

What subjectivity.? Yours? The simple fact is that overunity is impossible. Overunity devices do not exist nor will they ever exist.

digital_electronics

5 years ago

No subjectivity because overunity devices are possible: https://www.artcomicsculture.com/overunity-generator-guide-review/

maxmax_66

5 years ago

Is this your proof? This is an internet scam. Why are you pushing this internet scam? Is this your own internet scam? Either way, I believe this violates the forum rules on unwanted spam or advertising.

digital_electronics

5 years ago

At first glance I would agree with you, but as you read through the article, and many other similar articles, you very quickly realise the error of your initial assumption. These theoretical reviews definitely lend credence to the hypothetical usage of overunity devices.

maxmax_66

5 years ago

They are all scams, every single one. Overunity is a naive pipe dream perpetrated by fringers and con men. The laws of thermodynamics strickly prohibits overunity devices no matter what anyone claims. This is fact, not opinion.

digital_electronics

5 years ago

Hypothesis are hardly “scams”, the fact that a theory surpasses your current knowledge or scientific understanding about something doesn’t negate the hypothesis, today’s modern airliners wouldn’t exist under the weight of such subjectivity. Overunity devices have been made, what’s unclear is their efficiency and practicality, particularly cost, when used in conjunction with conventional energy generators. Don’t be too hasty to jump to untenable conclusions.

maxmax_66

5 years ago

There is no theory on overunity devices. They do not and cannot exist. They have been successfully and repeatedly debunkesd. There is no other view or position on this subject that stands up to scientific scrutiny. You offer nothing by way of argument but internet nonsense and links to scams, and even worse still, you seem prone to promote these lies from obvious whackadoodles. My scientific knowledge on this subject is second to none, least of all to you. you insult my education and profession as of those of my colleages with this continued nonsense. The internet is not the fountain of knowledge you believe it to be. That knowledge is hard earned and takes years to master, and yet in lieu of trying to understand, you cite internet garbage and scams.

digital_electronics

5 years ago

You’re sadly mistaken if you think I’m peddling the notion of perpetual motion hence your “scam” insinuation. Reading a few sentences of an article discussing the merits of alternative energy devices working in unison to generate energy and then forming uniformed opinions isn’t helpful. However, if intellectual laziness rather than objectivity floats your boat then so be it. I have a scientific and mechanical background and I can see the feasibility of such energy generating devices. I would encourage you to examine the facts more thoroughly before arriving at hasty and subjective conclusions.

maxmax_66

5 years ago

I check for peer reviewed analysis. There is no peer reviewed analysis in anything you've presented thus far. With no peer review, there is no scientific credibility. Not too surptrising, since everything you've cited so far is pure bunk as is 99% of everything found online.

digital_electronics

5 years ago

Online credibility is dubious, the link posted wasn’t seeking credibility. Get into your workshop and build a rudimentary overunity generator, what you’ll discover is that it works although not efficiently. As you can appreciate, theoretical predictions and mechanical outcomes don’t necessarily harmonise.

maxmax_66

5 years ago

I've got a better idea. You build one and show us it can at least achieve unity. If you succeed, I'll demand a refund on my degree. Frankly, I wouldn't waste my time or effort on such a fruitless endeavour, but I'm sure you would learn a valuable lesson in the difference between real science and junk pseudoscience.

digital_electronics

5 years ago

Relegating science, which you disagree with, and labelling it as junk “pseudoscience” is your prerogative and it’s not my intention to publicly embarrass you, hence my invitation for you to enter your workshop and discover the practical science behind overunity generators. Pioneering frontiers is the hallmark of science which I revere the most.

maxmax_66

5 years ago

It’s your claim. It’s your nickel. It’s your time to waste. Build it yourself if you’re so sure. I don’t care either way.

digital_electronics

5 years ago

I support the plausibility of such devices, anyway have a great day.

Dholms22

5 years ago

Ok bet. Ive already found books on scalar wave technology.