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kyacn
modified 10 years ago

Wien bridge oscillator

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Why it isnt oscillate when i inject a noise? This must be oscillating with approximately f= 25kHz according to 1/2piRC. I cant understand pls help.
published 10 years ago
hurz
10 years ago
set simspeed to 40us/s because you expect 26.6kHz and give it more gain e.g. 2.02kOhm@40us/s instead of 1.5kOhm. This is to get 3+ total gain. Anyway it will go into clipping sooner or later. Checkout some more discussion here on EC
crkt
10 years ago
Change value of capacitor to 1mf and it starts producing square wave
crkt
10 years ago
Or change the sim speed to 20us/s .because 25khz freq = 1/(25*1000) sec = 40us so it will give better view at 20us/s simulation speed. :-)
crkt
10 years ago
Your oscillatory vlktage will will die in 40us * (600ohm/200uV)=120 uS . So at sim speed of 20 us/s you can see it upto 120/20 = 6 sec instead of at sim speex of 1s/s in which you can see only fir 6us .. which is very small. :D
kyacn
10 years ago
Yes i got it. When i changed r value from 1.5k to 2k and simulation speed from 1s to 20us then shake it, circuit was oscillating thanks a lot guys i missed the values :)
crkt
10 years ago
Instead of changing 1.5 to 2k change 600ohm to 300ohm . It will give better oscillation at 20us sim speed with less power consumption and less cost . :D
hurz
10 years ago
You are welcome. Observe what happens with 2k to 1k gain="3" which is actually not exactly 3. It a little less 3
crkt
10 years ago
Owk so you are considering gain 1+Rf/Rb = 1+(2/1) = 3 . Owk tell me one thing why we can not find gain from negative terminal of op amp . Since by sane terminal voltage and same output voltage we should have same gain .. ?? It is just a question . If you know then explain . :-) :D
kyacn
10 years ago
I found examples and approaches from these type circuits. There is a criteria in here Berkhausen criteria. this criteria says that rf/r1 = 2 in order to adjust sinusoidal signal which is in chose frequency by capacitors and resistance. On the other hand capacitor and resistance values in circuit is so small that (there tao's are also small) oscillation voltage is too small. In order to see Adjustible output voltages, we must wait too long. Bla bla bla... shortly, we must increase input resistance value and also rf value from barkhausen to see output in short time :) i choose 250k and 100k and build in pc program. it works :) but ec is cannot find solution. Np for me thanks anyway.. :)
lmccoig
10 years ago
Where is sqrt in your formula? 25 kHz= 1/ 2pi sqrt (LC). Not RC time constant calculation.
crkt
10 years ago
@kyacn it is working here but you have make sim speed 20us/s and adjust ofest voltage of opamp in order to get sinuoid. @lmccoig it is wien circuit oscillator . Hete sine two resistances and two capacitances in down branch its w²=1/(R1R2C1C2) now when R1=R2 =R and C1=c2 =C w²= 1/R²C² now freq f=1/2piRC. :-)

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