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Addramyrz
modified 8 years ago

Which would be safer

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1.1 Added Transformers. How about now? 1.0 "Pulling" a 60hz-ac signal at less than 1V & less than 1mA. Can it be done safely? Which do you believe is a safe way? Thank you all for your answers.
published 10 years ago
rich11292000
10 years ago
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agentaero
10 years ago
I don't believe one is safer than the other. You could go with either one. You will always have a large voltage referenced to neutral/ground at the 1k resistor
Karsten
10 years ago
First, I would use a step-down transformer
njolico
10 years ago
It can be done safely. Put some rubber glove on.
nikisalli
10 years ago
I think the first circuit is more safe...
hurz
10 years ago
Both circuits are equaly unsafe, cuz output voltage to ground is 85V peak! Every voltage above 42V is dangerous. It won't kill you directly, but it could shock you and you might "falling from a ladder", or whatever you can imagine ... And don't even think about over voltage damage to the resistors. Voltage at mains can have high spikes! There are good reason to buildin protecting mechanism against over voltage. There is no way around to use a galvanic separation (transformer) to be on the safe side. Anyway, the circuits just give <90uW what can you drive with such a low power?
thebugger
10 years ago
Yes hurz is right. Nothing is safe, when working directly from mains. It's not 170V. It's not even 230V, as many tend to believe. The peak is at 320V, and sometimes when electrical noise gets into the mains, it can peak even higher. The safest way is to use galvanic separation (a transformer). Another cheap way is to use a capacitor, as a current limiting device, but since the mains is not a perfect sinewave, it may have some higher harmonics, that will pass much stronger through the cap. Not to mention the inefficiency of these methods. Sometimes the efficiency may fall to less than 10%, while most transformers maintain efficiency beyond 80% (some of them above 95%).
kokos97
10 years ago
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faceblast
10 years ago
I use a 6V plug pack with the rectifier pulled out. it swings about 9Vp-p up to about 100mA before a PTC kicks in

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