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A Brief History of Time or The Inspirational Power of Beer.

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First of all, what is nothing? It could be said that nothing is the absence of presence or the presence of absence. Personally, I prefer the former to the latter since from this point of view, 'nothing' makes allowances for possibilities that the other view does not.  Next, consider  Heisenberg's energy-time uncertainty principle △E△t ≥ ℏ/2. If we allow for the possibility of the existence within 'nothing' of brief fluctuations over exceedingly small time intervals, the uncertainty principle suggests that the energy content of any such fluctuation would be highly indeterminate, meaning any fluctuation could contain the energy content of a whole universe or the energy of a sloth. If the time interval is long enough, it may allow the fluctuation to 'propagate' into existence and in turn time loses its point like nature and becomes a continuum. This is the moment of the Big Bang and the creation of the universe modelled here.

The universe begins chaotically, a dense, energetic soup of particles and radiation quickly expanding within the first few moments of the Big Bang. At this point, inflation takes over, smoothing out density fluctuations and allowing for the decoupling of the fundamental forces. The expansion continues, the universe begins to cool, protons can bind to electrons to form hydrogen and helium atoms, hydrogen and helium clump to form stars and from stars we get the other elements, all played out in three orthogonal dimensions and time we call spacetime.

So you see, you don't need a supercomputer or years of programming to model the universe. Boredom, beer and EveryCircuit, that's all you need. 

Good day to all..

published 7 years ago

WanderingWalker

7 years ago

Without being there when it happened its all just theory or conjecture, not science. I too would suggest starting with Genesis though...

LeButch

7 years ago

We can discuss that written on the EveryCircuit Discord server.

maxmax_66

7 years ago

@WanderingWalker. There is a vast difference between theory and conjecture.

lenzrulz

7 years ago

He’s baiting you Max, probably a fake account...

maxmax_66

7 years ago

No worries. Just keeping the fact of their respective meanings clear in mind. :-)

hurz

7 years ago

Lenny seems to be an expert to detect fake accounts. First time he detected @applecap as fake account yesterday he said that about @edy66 today its @WanderingWalker. Lenny tell us more about fake accounts as you seems to be the expert for fakes!

kiani

7 years ago

I cut the introduction. We are deluded in search for reality in this illusion. The illusive ( nothing). I don' t know who suggested the theory of big bang ( probably a religious priest ( monk) whom couldn' t find God) . And tried to fit his religious ideas into, and onto science. first of all when we assume there was a time that there was NOTHING. ( if you tell a lie big enough, everyone would believe you out of wonder) or if you ( somehow managed to rub all the gold and money from bank of England, nobody would call you s thief, " a conquerer?! Maybe). Anyway. IF there was NOTHING at some point in time,,,, WHERE was all this NOTHING?!! Was there a PLACE?!! VAST EMPTY SPACE?!! OR are we to say At the beginning when there was Nothing and No empty space to contain the VOID,,, where did the big bang happened!!!

maxmax_66

7 years ago

'Nothing', in its most profound sense, is the absence of time and dimension. It does not exist. It is purely conceptual. It does not exist at a 'point in time' nor does it span a 'space'. Time began at the Big Bang. As far as where the Big Bang happened, it happened everywhere.

maxmax_66

7 years ago

Our existence is temporal. We occupy a causal universe. You assume causality where none exists.

kiani

7 years ago

where is or was this EVERYWHERE.if there is NOTHING, there is no place that big bang or anything else can happen there ( everywhere, assumes existence of a place, " no matter how vast and infinite "). The scientists ",,,," get grants and money to produce stuff,, and write reports,, and look for Higgs and bozons,, spending vast amount money, etc. Etc. To find life on dome planets.. WHY?!! There is plenty of life here ( on this planet) , that "we" are destroying,, imagine if all that money and effort was to respect life on our own planet ( not only within boarders and countries) bozons and Higgs would come to us by themselves. Instead of wars the leaders play chess, the winner, is the conquerer. "we" are do egger to take to find a planet with life so we can take a bag of sh*** t ( ourselves) for them. ANYWAY back to nothing. For us as Einstein described as observer, a piece of string must have two ends, every beginning must have an end,, in summary everything has ( to have) and has a REASON, for no reason. ( even if the piece of string is circular, it's radius has two ends).

maxmax_66

7 years ago

Causality is fundamental to the existence of the universe, not it's creation.

kiani

7 years ago

And WHY is that!?

maxmax_66

7 years ago

Time began at the moment of the Big Bang. Without time there is no causality. Conclusion: the Big Bang has no cause.

kiani

7 years ago

If a sting has two ends, which end is the beginning and which the end?! perhaps we are looking at the universe back to front, and big bang is not our past but the future. And our past is at the other end ( NOTHING) , . After all that is where nothing ls.

kiani

7 years ago

Here is something that is a wonder to me. Velocity =meter/ seconds. meter is a unit to measure length. Second is unit to measure time. Length is real. Meter is not real ( man made). in. ants unit of meter is different to ours. So length is also relative. Also a fly only lives and reproduce and die in three days, and we do the same in around 70 years, so time is relative. Therefore a length is only a length if you start to travel it or anticipate. We see everything as a circle,, cause of our visionary system,, ( ie. If the max. Distance we can see is say, 10 ( human) meters then if we stand in one spot, our vision will enable us to see within a CIRCLE of radius 10 meters) . But it does not mean the earth is round. nor it means it is flat. A pebble in water propagates waves in a circle,,, A big bang would also propagate in a circle and not only in one direction ( as suggested) , it is suggested isn' t it??? Therefore time is also pasture is circular. There is no past nor any future,, the delay which is a form of memory, creates an illusion that time is passing and what we observe is within this circle of delay ( memory). How long is the length of present!!! Presence has no length. Otherwise it would be memorial of presence.

maxmax_66

7 years ago

Note that we observe the universe expanding in both space and time. This spacetime manifold is a nonlinear topology with no analogy (at least on the large scale) with the more familiar Euclidian topologies. The universe does not expand from a single point, it expands everywhere. The Big Bang did not occur at a single point, it occured everywhere. That being said, now consider the fundamental aspect of the universe we call entropy. The entropy of all systems always increases with time, the forward arrow of time we refer to as the future. Therefore, the entropy of the universe will always be greater in the future. This arrow of time is in the same direction as the expansion of the universe. Since we always observe the entropy of systems to be increasing, we have a preferred direction for the arrow of time, that being into the future. Reversing the arrow of time points to the past. In that direction, entropy decreases and the universe contracts. If we extrapolate backwards in time, the universe continues to contract until we reach the Big Bang where time began. Beyond this, there is nothing. As mentioned above, since we observe the entropy of systems to be always increasing, we can conclude that the Big Bang always lies in our past, as defined by the arrow of time.

kiani

7 years ago

Mr. Einstein needed a constant, he couldn't find one. So in the end he was so desperate to tie loose ends cause the atomic bomb 💣 couldn' t wait. So he was a scientist ( a knowledgeable one). So he picked the biggest number he could find ( speed of light) and called it constant. Then he came up with relatively of it,. If there is nothing at all, just a packet of light ( or s single partial of being) , whether it travels 300000* 10^ 100000000000 plus meter per anything, or 1m*10^-100000000000 anything,, that partical is not going anywhere. And itself and the infinite media ( SPACE) ARE standing still. So a point of reference or starting point is required for speed to exist. Plus if two beam of lights travelling in opposition directions then speed of light doubles. they ( we) needed another thing to explain what doesn' t make sense ( a lie so big that can contain the the truth ") so they ( we) came up with relativity of " truth". By making truth relative we the truth to be the biggest lie. We had to give it a name, what better name than ENTROPY.

maxmax_66

7 years ago

The lie of entropy? Amusing.

kiani

7 years ago

Entropy itself is not a lie itsrlf,, it is a measure of the biggments of lies.

maxmax_66

7 years ago

Pure nonsense.

kiani

7 years ago

And the throries of quantum mechanics and ( the cat in the box) isn't nonsense!! The scitsophrenic throry of wave ( light) duality isn't?!! and the profiteering market of classified " science " makes bread taste better?! ( entrpy) is nonsense factor which is used to correct misalignments of truth. Whom ever had problem with their formulea they pluked a number called it ( a constant) stuck it in the formulea.

kiani

7 years ago

Big bang happened everywhere = ====big bang didn' t happen anywhere

maxmax_66

7 years ago

Quantum mechanics is not nonsense. The light/particle duality principle is not nonsense. The universal constants are not nonsense. Your conspiratorial bullshit is nonsense and getting tiresome.

maxmax_66

7 years ago

And the Big Bang happened everywhere.

kiani

7 years ago

We, humans go through development jumps ( similar to a growing child). what is today left of what we used to believe to be absolute truth and reality a thousand years ago?!! 500 hundred years ago?!!! 100 yrars ago?!! 50 years ago?!!! Quantum mechanic has caome to ssve us,, to throw away all ( most) of the believed and ( at the time proved) away, and hss made us look at everything in a different light... This also will pass to a different levels of understandings,,,,, where were the rules of physics, chemistry, and..... Quantum mechanics, at the time of (" big bang")?!! Were the rules created or came about all when big bang happened so the stuf of big bsng had a road map ( physics laws, quantum mechanics laws,,, etc) or thecrules werr made up as things went along hapoening?!! If so. Then whoscto ssycrules are unchangable?!! So i tend to keepcan open mind....

maxmax_66

7 years ago

I'm open to all reasonable alternatives, but you debate by use of superficial conspiratorial talking points and simply deny what you don't understand. This is far from being open minded.

kiani

7 years ago

Not denying what i don' t understand but cgallenging tthe common knowledge asumptions, and inprovable theories, and guesses. As you know ehen our friend Mr. Edison envented ( DSCIVERED), electricity, rven thiugh hr got a light bulb to glow,, he got alk yhe theory snd formuleas wrong,,. Until mr Faraday ( my favorate) camr along snd and sorted out the the theory, ( ie. Turn theory into facts).

maxmax_66

7 years ago

You preface your argument with 'We are deluded in search for reality in this illusion'. This is a classic cop out. You confuse the relationship between theory and fact. You claim the fundamental constants to be a cheat mechanism and essentially arbitrary. You personally redefine entropy as the overall measure of that cheat. You demonstrably show a lack of understanding with respect to relativity and it's postulates then call Einstein a cheat. If this is your best challenge to the 'common knowledge and inprovable theories', then modern physics is safe from you for now.

maxmax_66

7 years ago

Understand first then challenge.

kiani

7 years ago

Wow, am so impressed, at last someone understood, exactly what i am saying. There is nothing with cheating as long as people like Einshtine do it. Cause he wouldn' t disturb the conservation of energy rules while cheating. in fact all his genious was he knew exactly where and what can be fidled with. Csuse hr knew the answers, but the only way to bring it to earth was the cheat factor.

kiani

7 years ago

J = (-1)^1/2. This is cheating, cause as you know why...... A lie to help us find the solution. Once we have the solution we divide both side by the lie ie...( take correctove actions). What we have left the true answer. 😈

maxmax_66

7 years ago

The complex plane is not a lie and it's application is not cheating. You continue to talk nonsense.

kiani

7 years ago

So squar root of minus one, is it real or IMAGINARY?!

maxmax_66

7 years ago

It is both real and imaginary in the complex plane. It is neither a lie or a cheat.

kiani

7 years ago

Well my calculator says ( out of range) to this, . Imaginary, imposibility. So maybe (shrodigner.?!!!!! ) equation is only trying to bring it to within the range, of human understanding,,,. The whole of formulea is a fidle factor, ( one that works) but dies not explain the unexplainable... ( the few tera zilionthth of a second that took for the " imaginary " big bang to happen. As nothingvis instanteneous ( not even big bsngs) . Unless " NOTHING" can not bear to be timeless. So it ( the time) created itself.

LJ1234

6 years ago

I wish there was a like button

hurz

6 years ago

right, thats a good reminder for me, there was something open.... Sep.2018. @kiani, i think you should read this little importante NOTE from @maxmax_66 again, here a copy but you can still find the original above, read slowy and ask if you do not understand. Really importante note, the core of this discussion you need to understand! "Note that we observe the universe expanding in both space and time. This spacetime manifold is a nonlinear topology with no analogy (at least on the large scale) with the more familiar Euclidian topologies. The universe does not expand from a single point, it expands everywhere. The Big Bang did not occur at a single point, it occured everywhere. That being said, now consider the fundamental aspect of the universe we call entropy. The entropy of all systems always increases with time, the forward arrow of time we refer to as the future. Therefore, the entropy of the universe will always be greater in the future. This arrow of time is in the same direction as the expansion of the universe. Since we always observe the entropy of systems to be increasing, we have a preferred direction for the arrow of time, that being into the future. Reversing the arrow of time points to the past. In that direction, entropy decreases and the universe contracts. If we extrapolate backwards in time, the universe continues to contract until we reach the Big Bang where time began. Beyond this, there is nothing. As mentioned above, since we observe the entropy of systems to be always increasing, we can conclude that the Big Bang always lies in our past, as defined by the arrow of time."

YeahWhateverMan

6 years ago

@maxmax_66 https://youtu.be/w0ztlIAYTCU

maxmax_66

6 years ago

@YeahWhateverMan. https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Klee_Irwin

YeahWhateverMan

6 years ago

Holy fuck haha. I had no idea lol thanks for the link.

lenzrulz

6 years ago

The Achilles heel’: https://youtu.be/r4sP1E1Jd_Y

maxmax_66

6 years ago

And yet, still not a crisis for the Big Bang model and definitely not a crisis for evolutionary theory. Upon further consideration, I believe your time might be better spent trying to turn tennis balls inside out for science. You can easily do that from inside your padded cell.