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sshsslfun
modified 7 years ago

Small Audio Amplifier

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I finally found a way to get an old project working without blowing a transistor or an op amp. Very Low distortion. How can I calculate the stats of this??(Power RMS, RMS, Watts??) Thanks, happy new year!!!!
published 7 years ago
PrathikP
7 years ago
Since this is a sinusoidal wave, you can use Vo/āœ“2 for Vrms and do similar calculations for Irms and Prms (Prms is Po/2 though)
PrathikP
7 years ago
And i doesn't look like you need that 470u after the op amp
sshsslfun
7 years ago
The cap is needed. It helps with the distortion and a faster ON time.
sshsslfun
7 years ago
It may lower the output but it removes other problems, so in my opinion, 0.3 dB is worth being lost to remove problems like distortion and power being drawn from the Op Amp.
wyoelk
7 years ago
I don't know a lot about opamps so why can't the 470 be removed and the output cap be increased and fix the same issues?
sshsslfun
7 years ago
For several reasons, the main one is to not have any power going from or into the op amp. Second is for a better audio quality, which the cap removes distortion. Third, because I am not going to use electrolytic caps because they are polarized and would explode and create a short circuit. And also, the final cap just allows for lower frequencies to sound just as good, aswell as power the negative half of the sine wave.
wyoelk
7 years ago
Thank you for that info
GROGOR
7 years ago
Remove the 470uF, use global feedback from the load (change the 10k to 8k2), and then you can remove the 5k and 100k input biasing.
sshsslfun
7 years ago
@GROGOR Sorry, I'm not going to do that. First of all, your idea wont work unless the powersupply has a negative voltage, which I do not own neither I have seen. Second, the output is lowered for all that.
crake
7 years ago
Not true, sshsslfun. I made this a few weeks back. It works. It's not perfect but it works despite the cap, and positive and negative rail. http://everycircuit.com/circuit/6376918768418816
hurz
7 years ago
@sshsslfun, i wish you are more going into detail, you are to quickly in your conclusion. reading your profile give a clear overview you think everything is toooo easy. I wish you listen a little more and to really understand amplifier and oscillators and OpAmps it needs much more then a few days! Some do not understand all after even 20years and we have many users here who will never understand, i dont expect that valid for you but anyway even you will need a bit more then a few days
crake
7 years ago
P = (Vp/sqrt (2))*(Ip/sqrt (2)) = (Vp*Ip)/2 to answer your question in the circuit description @sshsslfun
jason9
7 years ago
I calculated an output wattage of 9.4W, an input wattage of 27W, a power dissipation of 15.6W, and an efficiency of 35%.
sshsslfun
7 years ago
@PrathikP @crake Thanks for the link and the formulas! @jason9 Thanks, I want to use this circuit and improve it.
hurz
7 years ago
@sshsslfun, what i was saying is, listen to @GROGOR more closely and dont judge to quickly as you have learned "ALL" about amplifiers,oscillators and OpAmps just in september? Funny. Two times 100 Ohm and two diodes as VAS at 30V is quite a high current which will cause quite a high quiet sense current (in EC default saturation of diode is identical to base emitter diode) ! But the output power transistor does not look like power transistors, they look like simple TO92 package BC547. OpAmps do deliver standard 20mA and not hundreds of mA specialy not at 30V cuz they are made like AB amplifier and do have also a power dissipation. The capacitor is not needed if set the operating point to supply/2 15V which suppose to be also at input the operating DC voltage. So you need a symetric voltage divider and not this asymetric thing you have now. One tip, start at loudspeaker and try to simulate what you really have in your toolbox and build it step by step from right to left, form loudspeaker to the input amplifier.
GROGOR
7 years ago
http://everycircuit.com/circuit/5411165642686464
GROGOR
7 years ago
No negative rail needed.. Global feed back utilised instead of just local on your op amp, and removed all that wasted current through those diodes!
hurz
7 years ago
hmmm, make the loop so big and even include the coupling output capacitor is not a good idea, i wont take it inside the loop. Check the example from @crake which is best, even the output stage power transistors are much to weak.
GROGOR
7 years ago
Why not good? They improve overall performance of whole cct..
GROGOR
7 years ago
Redesign and split your power supply. http://everycircuit.com/circuit/5411165642686464
PrathikP
7 years ago
@sshsslfun im not teasing you or anything, but how do you know how op amps work but dont know the most basic formulaes?
crake
7 years ago
GROGOR I cannot open your links for some reason
hurz
7 years ago
@PrathikP, guess you are on a black list of sshsslfun he will not communicate with people who are talking against his ideas! šŸ˜€ tip: this will work as long you go in kindetgarten but it diesn't if you growup running away or ignoring is not a solution of a problem. @sshsslfun think about
hurz
7 years ago
btw, @jason9 you also need to learn some new strategies!
GROGOR
7 years ago
http://everycircuit.com/circuit/5664050196512768
GROGOR
7 years ago
Crake. Try that.. Just some experimenting.. Cct got bridging a quad h-class amp.
sshsslfun
7 years ago
Haha @hurz Nah I have no black list, I have not been able to be on EC. Ive been very busy recently and I cant read everything. I do not know how they work, I just know basic functions like comparators and setting up their gain. I ask for the formulas because on a previous circuit , I calculated the wrong outputs with that same formulas, but I went back to that circuit, and realized that I missed some info that hurz gave to me, it was about calculating the sine wave's RMS power along with DC power, since the sine wave had DC current. I cant read every comment right now, but Ill try to during the weekend, thank you all for your comments and your help along with your attention.
kiani
7 years ago
It was the attention that i wanted, the circuit just an excuse.. Lolola
jason9
7 years ago
@hurz, what new strategies? I’d like to learn them.
kiani
7 years ago
Stratedgy of a wonderful 13 year old, whom isn't 13 any more,,! Perhaps!?!
hurz
6 years ago
here we are again http://everycircuit.com/circuit/4611152047505408

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