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RF Charge Pump

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RF charge pump circuit. 1mA current source feeds the charge pump, multiplies voltage and divides amp.
published 9 years ago
WTFCircuit
9 years ago
And this is usefull for..?
tamap
9 years ago
free power..
thebugger
9 years ago
Again with the free power thing. The first law of thermodynamics state that one cannot create nor destroy energy in a closed system, just merely transform it into an another form. The second law states that a system with low entropy will always end with maximum entropy. By these two well established laws the universe is preventing you from generating more energy than the spent energy. That's why efficiency levels of everything around us are always under 100%.
Dubious
9 years ago
Nothing is free, it uses the RF signals received from the antennas between the top 2 capacitors marked blue, green and red. Could be used to feed field coils on a generator ?
faceblast
9 years ago
a generator of miniscule power, yes
grummbunger
9 years ago
math only.
Dubious
9 years ago
Breadboard version has enough to slow charge a cell phone
Dubious
9 years ago
Im guessing when the device is within a tesla coils' field, it would act as a receiver?
bilben08
9 years ago
Tesla pulled energy from the earth his same concept with antennas picking up vibration i guess theres enough signals floating around now adays
faceblast
9 years ago
build it and see
thebugger
9 years ago
RF radiowaves don't have nearly as enough punch as you suggest. A few uV at a few uA is not enough for anything. This type of electricity generation is impossible. Not improbable but impossible. Tesla's experiments used large flyback tranaformers to multiply the voltage but at a cost of current. As V increases I must fall proportionally. That's what step up and step down transformers do.
thebugger
9 years ago
Ah i just noticed your circuit not having any power supply. Look this is an EC bug. Well not exactly bug but close enough. No way thia ia gonna generate anything, sorry. See for yourself. Just load up the output. Use even 1Gohm. It will react very much differently than now. The explanation is that by shaking your phone you introduce noise in a non grounded environment (the central tap of the caps). As soon as you provide a grounding path the output knees immediately.
Dubious
9 years ago
It works, indeed, without antenna it will produce nothing. Breadboard version is producing 1.5v continuously with load. Before you say its impossible, build one first, aye.
Dubious
9 years ago
...btw, I never said this circuit would power your home or run your electric car. But it will trickle charge a cell phone or replace a solar cell on a calculator. It could also provive a small current (+/-) to initiate another circuit. You want 300v? Build a giant one and use actual earth for ground.
thebugger
9 years ago
You don't get it don't you. This cannot work. There isn't any point in building it, because it won't work. You cannot extract energy from the atmosphere because there isn't enough to do anything with it, aye. You certainly cannot charge a phone or anything for that matter, with it because a typical smartphone has a consumption of at least 5W while the RF energy in the atmosphere is no more than a few uW (even that at best). As i previously said, the only reason this works here is because you are not providing any path to ground for the capacitors and when you shake the phone you introduce noise which has nowhere to go. Even the smallest load (1Gohm) provides enough ground path to discharge it let alone a higher consumption like a phone. Please retain yourself from making claims you cannot protect. And one more thing, i suspect you haven't done this on a breadboard really, so no point in lying about it.
Dubious
9 years ago
@thebugger, I suspect your agoraphobic and too scared to leave your box! Before you troll on, build it first! Length of antennas should be long enough to receive the RF signal your transmitting or the length for whatever signal you like
Dubious
9 years ago
And ONE more thing, zener diodes alone will generate current...
Dubious
9 years ago
Tons of example floating around. This tech is used for biomedical devices, for the transmission of wireless power. Do some research and stop trolling, aye
thebugger
9 years ago
What you're saying is preposterous. I will have to repeat myself. Simple math tells me this cannot do what you suggest, so there's no point in building it. And who gave you the crazy notion that zener diodes produce electricity. I suggest you hit the books and learn a little about thermodynamics, especially the first law before you continue to make up things to prove you're right. Please don't argue I'm not a noobie, you can trick into believing this mumbo-jumbo. You have a better chance in building a Perpetuum Mobile, than making this to work as suggested.If it were that easy to use the already given RF sea of Waves to power whatever it may be, don't you think someone would've discovered it already? Simple math tells you, you cant have more power at the output than the power you spend at the input. Seeing as how a typical RF wave has a power of a few uW you won't even be able to power an LED let alone charging a phone. It's preposterous!
Dubious
9 years ago
You're a bit anal. I never claimed I invented this circuit as it is
thebugger
9 years ago
Nonetheless, this can't work. Stop arguing with me I've already made the tests that support my claim. Antenna or no antenna an electromagnetic wave doesn't have enough punch to do as suggested. The only way to direct the beam and use some of its power is to use a microwave oven. Even then the losses are great and you probably won't be able to channel it.
Dubious
9 years ago
Its funny though, if you just youtube around there are plenty of working examples. Oddly enough, it is producing voltage, the problem I see is there is not enough amprage to drive anything worth while
Dubious
9 years ago
Previously I said adding noise increases voltage, its the basic principle on how this circuit works. Ive even used actual earth ground rod to a single unit (3 in this circuit above) and produces 600mV & -600mV at terminals. When its not grounded (2 resisters as ground) and indoors it still produces current, around 400mV avg.
thebugger
9 years ago
You're not grounding the correct path. I said even 1Gohm but not where you put them. The most left and moat right part of the circuit (from where you take the output).
Dubious
9 years ago
>.<
thebugger
9 years ago
Look just ground the positive plate of one capacitor and the negative plate of the other through 1Gohm resistors. You will see the voltage kneel to zero volts even with the slightest pathway to ground.
Dubious
9 years ago
Okay, to help you understand a bit better, change your 1Gohm resister for a 1Mohm resister... notice when you inject noise current spikes. If the noise (RF signal)is continuously sent to antenna then that current spike is continuous
thebugger
9 years ago
The resistor is once again not correctly placed. Okay answer me this. How can you get 15uV for example to 1V without an active component. I'm telling you that despite what the app may show, this circuit is a physical improbability. It will not work as suggested, at least in our own Universe. Maybe in another Universe where the first two laws of thermodynamics, don't apply.
thebugger
9 years ago
I will try to explain something as simple as i can. In order to have any voltage gain you'd have to result in one of two topologies. 1 comprises no active components like transistors and works around resonance. You'd need an LC tuned circuit to do that. But as the voltage increases the current consumption also increases which maintains the output power always under 100% the input. This is not power amplification just voltage gain. This will get you nowhere since even if you can increase the voltage to the desired level the few uW of power will get you nowhere. Anyway to do that you'd need a very fine tuned LC circuit. The other way is to amplify the signal using the power from a DC source. This provides no power from the wave but spends power from an external source. There is juat no way to harness the very few uW of power a radio wave can provide. There's one way only. If you were to chanel a great deal of energy into a specific point where your receiver will be only then you will maybe receive part of the energy. Even then the losses will be great and the diatance between thw transmitter and receiver will only be a few cm.
Dubious
9 years ago
Here, bugger, youtube video just for you. https://youtu.be/dpUT6YmLSMI ejoy!
Dubious
9 years ago
Bugger, I never said this was a free energy circuit. It does use existing RF noise ( background radiation ) and or a directed RF signal matched to your antenna. This group of 3 circuits are modular, put the middle one upsidedown if you prefer
thebugger
9 years ago
It must be a hoax os some kind. You can't amplify a few uV to almost a volt without a resonant tank circuit. And i don't see any inductors, do you?
thebugger
9 years ago
Okay I'm giving up. Do as you will, but this cannot work.
Dubious
9 years ago
Awe man, I thouht you would at least get a laugh
Dubious
9 years ago
But back to its original form and speculative purpose.
thebugger
9 years ago
You know why these experiments, tesla failed to accomplish? Because the Earth resonance as you call it, which is in fact Schumann resonance has a fundamental frequency of 7.83Hz. That's not a random number. The earth and its atmosphere act as a waveguide of frequencies equal to the circumference of the Earth. So these are standing waves with a wavelength long as the Earth itself and are periodically excited by lightnings and such. So in order to capture that wave you'd need an antenna that will resonate at 7.83Hz. 300nH doesn't cover it by a longshot. The tuning must be very precise and you still probably won't be able to intercept it. The Schumann field is measured in pT (picoTeslas) which is 10 million times lower then the Earth's static field. I'm sorry what you're viewing here is sort of a bug. Try something elae that has been proven to work over and over again like an amplifier for instance. Leave the Fringe Science to pseudoscientists.
Dubious
9 years ago
Indeed those frequencies are under 20Hz, funny how Tesla said those lines exist before shuamann rediscovered them, kinda like remote control.
Dubious
9 years ago
Like his towers, everone loves the streamers, except Tesla, he went to great lengths to supress them
Dubious
9 years ago
Leland Anderson in his book offered some diagrams of the Wardenclyffe tower where Tesla included an "extra gap;" a spark-gap placed in series with the connect ion between the final Extra coil and the large sphere atop the tower. Brief experimentation with an analogous circuit shows that the gap produces an odd effect: it behaves as an electrostatic square wave generator of extreme voltage. Slow periodic firing of the gap is observed (actually quite fast, but much slower than the coil resonance period.) And after each firing, the large sphere terminal is left with an electrostatic charge of a single polarity. At the next gap-firing this polarity reverses, so each two sparks completes a single cycle of the square wave. By increasing the spark gap distance, the square wave frequency can be adjusted lower. Possibly this is how Tesla intended to step down the frequency of the main coil to match Earth resonance frequencies well below 20KHz. An added benefit is that the gap firing time is biased by external e-fields, and any returning Earth-resonance waves should cause the gap-firing to phase-lock with one of the resonant overtones. With ease Tesla could have produced any output frequency between the coil's natural resonance, all the way down to 8Hz global fundamental note. And the transmission frequency would have adapted itself to lie directly at the peak of one of the many slowly-wandering Earth resonance lines
Dubious
9 years ago
In essence, the circuit above would not be DC but rather an AC circuit, switching polarity with each wave. Think of it like a giant G-line, each wave carrying a polarity change
thebugger
9 years ago
I understand the physics behind it but as I said unless a High Power RF emission is directed at the receiving ,,antenna'' there won't be much of a bang. As i said Schumann resonance is barely detectable let alone usable. Tesla experimented with a high variety of wireless electricity ideas non of which he established usable. Much like a transformer works if you direct a beam with intense power at a receiving antenna current will induce on the receiver side. This much is fairly known. But some problems arise. 1st how to transmitt safely a high intensity beam of energy without harm to living things. The thing will act as a microwave oven. 2nd the power output is determined by two factors. One of them is the intensity of the beam and the distance from it. Remember every doubling in distance will quadrupally divide the power. This means that for every doubling of the distance the tranamitter will have to provide 4 times more power. Certain problems like efficiency and health issues arise that could not be neglected. Anyway i strayed a little off topic but what I'm trying to say is that tesla's experiments couldn't have been successful if he hadn't used a powerful field of electricity to induce currents to the secondary. He must've used a very well tuned High frequency step up transformation to achieve his experiments but he couldn't have been able to use the already given RF sea of Waves because they are very much dispersed rather than focused.

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